"移民就是那案上的肉" - why just immigrants? Immigrants didn't understand Canadian legal system which may not be the same as where they came from. -hkchan(0) @SF湾区华人论坛:SF湾区枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of San Francisco

枫下茶话 / 法律 / 真心求助：一冲动生气打了孩子，被起诉了，现在不能回家了，怎么办？ -bbslandcom(benben); 2009-9-20 {427} (#5560308@0)
上周末孩子疯狂淘气，本人开始劝说孩子不听。我一冲动拿起毛巾在孩子大腿一边打了一下，留下红印。幼儿园老师打电话给儿童保护中心，后者打电话给警察。

现在被警察起诉assault，不能回家了。找了一个西人律师，上周开庭的disclosure只拿到摘要版本。

其实孩子跟我最亲，我一直很惦记孩子，比如接送，跳舞，买菜。很痛苦，不能见面。

我完全愿意认错，确实缺少必要的法律常识。可是，不管官司拖多久，首先我要回家呀。

请朋友提供建议，感激不尽。

plead guilty so you can go home immediately, but better not do so -49ers(quarterback); 2009-9-20 (#5560788@0)

他们一定迫使你认罪服法，然后收取大把学费去法庭指定的学习班，因路火杀人的前司法部长Michael Bryant，任内曾经赚取数以千计的父母千百万学费。Anger Management，恰恰是这位司法部长最需要的课程。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565784@0)

"任内曾经赚取数以千计的父母千百万学费" - did the parents pay for the tuition fee? -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566266@0)

说你天真，你越天真。放狗搜，安省提供各类Counseling的公司，没有一千，也有五百，从业个人不计其数。邻居国女嫁得洋汉，经济危机从业无门，听从夫言转行Social Worker，九个月乔治布朗大学结业摇身一变Counselor，您崇拜的profesional，其实也就比生孩子还简单的功夫。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5566353@0)

Not try to argue with you but I know a lot, I would say over 10 students who spend 4 years to study BSW; couldn't get a job as social worker and had to study another MSW before they got some interviews. Some are still looking for job! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 {512} (#5566467@0)
They took 5 years to study and still not get a job. Most of them were from Toronto University.

What kind of councillor your neighbour is. Say for example, if there is no legal requirement to call anyone CAS councillor, then even I can call myself CAS councillor. It is like 5 years ago, anyone can call himself immigration consultant / councillor / specialist.

So what did you try to say? Social Worker is not professional? It is easy to be a social worker?

did the parents pay for the tuition fee?

不能回家，那你住在哪里？ -consonant(bluebay); 2009-9-20 (#5560814@0)

住朋友家，被朋友担保出法庭的。如果我私自见孩子要被罚款5000 -bbslandcom(benben); 2009-9-21 (#5561430@0)

你的律师能否settle the case? 尽量不要违反保释条款，对你和你的朋友都不好。 -icyblue(蓝色冰点); 2009-9-21 (#5561565@0)

谢谢您的回答。我也不知道以后律师会处理的怎么样，找了个西人律师，第一次经历。 -bbslandcom(benben); 2009-9-21 (#5562294@0)

一定争取不要留下犯罪记录. 理解你的心情, 但也不要乱认错. 如果法官认为你assault罪名成立, 或者认为你不适合抚养孩子, 那就更麻烦了. 多和你的律师沟通吧. -icyblue(蓝色冰点); 2009-9-23 (#5565667@0)

#5565323@0这位种族仇恨罪犯，得到的是conditional discharge，同样的没有犯罪纪录，事实是，conditional discharge保留三年记录，雇主三年内都可以查到。LZ千万不可因为急家冒然接受。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565746@0)

You should be more proactive and discuss with your lawyer. Actually, if I were you, I would discuss with 5 - 6 lawyers; ask them what they would do and their experience before I select one who represnt me. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 {141} (#5565740@0)
Do you know lawyer referral service? You can pay $6 and talk to a lawyer for 30 minutes. I highly recommend you to talk to various lawyers.

There is a Rolian called Ontariocas, try to pm him and see what suggestion he has. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-21 (#5561024@0)
移民生活三大事：防火、防盗、防CAS。不能回家，可以搬家，白天不能回，可以晚上去。孩子的母亲要充分利用隔离时间，对幼儿动之以情，晓之以理，今后人生，不可不孝。远离CAS，远离警察，远离法庭。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-22 (#5564711@0)

别瞎说, 害人呢. -sailor(Summer3); 2009-9-22 (#5565171@0)

实话。俺有了类似的CAS后，白天晚上都回去，还被警察逮一次，后来还是不了了之。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566271@0)

you are lucky guy! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566277@0)
愿闻其详。有空写来看看，水手老大接受一点普法教育，没准能给你设个精五的。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5566391@0)

俺还在监狱渡了3天假，是一个噩梦，忘了吧。（#5565692@0) -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566479@0)

Hope you and your family both recover from the nightmare! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566506@0)

Thanks. It's just a bad dream. The real nightmares are (#5563941@0) -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566532@0)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1 -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566542@0)

用BABY作人质，让孩子父亲签了一大堆难以承受的条件。 -fairness(直言执言); 7.6 09:30 (#5395684@0) 话题 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565627@0)
最差的情况下，我只对孩子关“禁闭”。这里的孩子打不得。 -vicky2005(孩子她爹); 2009-9-23 (#5565679@0)
CAS可以把这么多人攻击到妻离子散，家破人亡， -patrickholder(blm); 6.21 09:44 (#5360094@0) 话题 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565699@0)

Please don't scare this poor person, he / she is already under huge pressure. You don't want to push this poor person over the edge. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565727@0)

警察冒充居委会，你拿它当根葱，它还真是个事，你不当回事，它也就是一堆手纸！看好自己的家门，管好孩子的嘴，防火、防盗、防CAS。一样不能少。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565764@0)

S/he did abuse the kid and s/he even admitted it. Nothing wrong with CAS. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2009-9-23 (#5565833@0)

对任何人都不要说话，老师，校长，警察，社工。和律师说啥，你一定要想清楚。律师是根据你要求的方式辩护的，你自己若没有可行的主意，对你自己会非常不利。 -patrickholder(blm); 6.20 15:24 (#5359035@0) 话题 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565702@0)

A good lawyer would discuss with you about the situation, what are the pros and cons of different approaches. They may reccommend. but you are right, the lawyer would let you decide what the best approach is. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565716@0)

Sad。过严的刑法对谁都没有好处。 -rollor(Rollor); 2009-9-23 (#5565718@0)

肯定有,in this case, CAS -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-9-23 (#5565753@0)

CAS 本身不是目的。而且，如果CAS的行为引起公众反感，对他们自己也不会有好处。 -rollor(Rollor); 2009-9-23 (#5565762@0)

从CAS的行为引起公众反感,到对他们自己有坏处之间,可以有多少人得好处啊 -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-9-23 (#5565786@0)

a lot of children got protected! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566585@0)

or lawyer, 所以这民主法治的bullshit, -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-9-23 (#5565768@0)

也很多 -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-9-23 (#5565773@0)
律师永远是胜利者。 -rollor(Rollor); 2009-9-23 (#5565877@0)

It is about time to do a law degree. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566290@0)

如果不是坑，别上Rolia问。 -copperbean(豆泡果之铜豌豆); 2009-9-23 (#5565755@0)

为什么？因为Rolia上被CAS逼死的孤苦母亲的血迹还未干？ -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565803@0)

“网上的话你也敢信？”名言啊！真要帮人家，就电话联系、面谈 - 如果当事人愿意的话，在网上鼓噪很不负责任。 -copperbean(豆泡果之铜豌豆); 2009-9-23 (#5565823@0)

+1. Please spend your valuable time to discuss with lawyer or even reading court case related to CAS rather than getting information from web. It can be biased, incomplete or even false! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565830@0)

Because we are not professional! How many of us did have real encounter with CAS? What Benben need is a lawyer who has proven records to handle CAS and know how to fight for his / her right. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565826@0)

幼儿园老师是神经病， -x888(约你1月16日晚会见); 2009-9-23 {360} (#5565771@0)
如果你只是用毛巾抽两下大腿的话。

你孩子几岁？

我想，冷静沉着，热情洋溢，应该是你出现在警察，法官还有幼儿园老师等面前的面貌。千万别扳着脸，愁眉苦脸，。。。。

用你对生活和家庭和孩子的热爱的态度，让他们觉得整个报告是多此一举，或者是个误会。让他们自己在心里觉得，他们对这件事的处理给你的家庭带来了诸多不便。你不是他们要处理的对象。法律不是对你这种人用的。
Benben, I really suggest that you should go to professional (lawyer or whoever experience with CAS) to get assistance rather than from Rolia. Please ignore other rolians' feedback unless you can be sure about his professional background! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 {20} (#5565788@0)
That include myself!
别省钱，找一个好律师，其他就别在这里废话了 -mssg(Wild_Killer); 2009-9-23 (#5565851@0)

And you should always ask for your lawyers' experience with CAS and request proof. Don't just find any lawyer! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565859@0)

别不懂装懂。孩子已经回家，官司的对手已经不是CAS而是女王的刑事诉讼代表检察官。所谓好律师坏律师，无非是跟检察官法官私交深浅而已。P大点事情，无非要为这个国家最大化地榨取新移民的血汗而已。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5565868@0)

THAT'S THE POINT -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-9-23 (#5565876@0)
My bad English. What I want to say is find lawyer who has proven records to handle cases that involved CAS, i.e. child abuse. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5565881@0)
"所谓好律师坏律师，无非是跟检察官法官私交深浅而已" Is that your experience in China? How many lawyers do you know in Canada? -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566228@0)

警察是小鬼，法官是阎王。刑堂如菜场，移民就是那案上的肉，讨价还价当然靠私交。邻里纠纷、夫妻吵架、教育儿女，随时都能成为这群法学院校友会员吸血鬼敲骨吸髓的对象。 -oldyou(); 2009-9-23 (#5566379@0)

"移民就是那案上的肉" - why just immigrants? Immigrants didn't understand Canadian legal system which may not be the same as where they came from. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 {555} (#5566501@0)
I got a traffic ticket when I parked the car at the wrong direction on the road. I paid the ticket and I learnt my lesson but I would not say Canadian system tried to sequeeze $$$ from immigrants.

I saw some Chinese immigrants who cut the tree in front of their house and they got a ticket. I saw my European neighbour expaned their house without a city permit, they also got a ticket. I know a lot of my neighbourhood who got a ticket from government because they didn't know they break the law. Are these examples of your "移民就是那案上的肉"?

And I can't imagine how Canada can 榨取新移民的血汗 through CAS. Please enlight me. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566244@0)
you are so pathetic -anthonylo2008(anthonylo); 2009-9-23 (#5566303@0)
同情。谁把您绑架到这个如此不堪的国家来的？ -copperbean(豆泡果之铜豌豆); 2009-9-23 (#5566311@0)

俺有过类似的经历。第一次，不用找律师。这样说就行了。“我完全愿意认错，确实缺少必要的法律常识。” 俺就回家了。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566249@0)

so you and your children are OK now? -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566256@0)

无忧无虑，无烦恼。我们还是打着玩儿。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566260@0)

you may want to PM Benben your phone number and share your experience. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566278@0)

Good idea. -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566297@0)

pm了。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566304@0)

I just wish there is a happy ending. He / she can return home and happy reunion. -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566423@0)

416-546-8878咨询她一下，专业的问题问专业的人。 -westking(westking); 2009-9-23 (#5566634@0)

是啊，俺也遇到过很多赚家们。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566640@0)

无论对于同情或者不同情本人的朋友，我都感谢您们的发言。我真的需要有经验的或者熟悉法律程序的朋友，告诉我以后怎么走。 -bbslandcom(benben); 2009-9-23 {1032} (#5566666@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛我找过3个华人律师以及3-4个西人律师。除了第一个华人律师说的太玄乎，竟然说我为什么要卖了自己，在警察面前说实话。后来在第一次去法庭，我看到缩写版本的警察报告，说孩子一下子就承认是爸爸大的。幸亏我没有撒谎，不然麻烦更多。

其余几个律师差不多一件接近，说自己承认有罪，争取宽大处理。保留1年犯罪记录，如果这一年没有再发生，犯罪记录不再保留，不影响以后工作。还有几个律师不表态，要先看到警察详细报告。

有人说要3-6月才能回家，还要上课怎么控制脾气。漫长，度日如年，几千的律师费+上课费+租房子，这代价太大了，自己造成的苦果。

在家里孩子（女孩）跟我很亲，每天下班回家都往我身上爬，在外面需要pi-pi，宁愿跟我去男厕所，也不跟妈妈去女厕所。每天早上我先送孩子去上学，然后开车去上班。要使孩子不早点睡，第2天起床就费劲，吃饭也麻烦。有时候我有压力，不愿意老是被公司说上班太晚。

不管怎么说，我必须承担一切后果，以后反思自己怎么培养淘气的孩子。当务之急，怎么早点回家，分担家庭责任？

最后，我的教训告诉其他朋友，在加拿大，孩子不仅仅属于家庭，也属于加拿大政府，不能越过底线管教孩子。

请能帮上忙的朋友发邮件给我，感激不尽。 dogtail891@yahoo.ca更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

How about ask your lawyer to suggest to court to change the order that you cannot stay with your girl ALONE? I can't offer any more assistance. You already did what I would do if I were at your position. Good Luck! -hkchan(0); 2009-9-23 (#5566676@0)
别听那些赚家们，俺吃过不少官司，有经验，俺EM您了俺的电话了。 -go4nature(zeitgeist 时代精神); 2009-9-23 (#5566682@0)

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"移民就是那案上的肉" - why just immigrants? Immigrants didn't understand Canadian legal system which may not be the same as where they came from.

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