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枫下拾英 / 历史 / 刚才看到印第安大屠杀,足足进行了3个世纪,该国印第安人口大概当时有3000万~1亿,具体剩多少不名,多个知名总统前,向井敏明都相形见绌
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2022-8-19
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认真的看了一遍,太可怜了,印地安人,被赶尽杀绝,种族灭绝就是那些自诩为民主自由的领袖人物领着白人干的,真是恐怖啊。中国对待少数民族的优待政策反被污蔑为种族灭绝,实属欲加之罪 何患无辞。
-liz2002(jfm);
2022-8-19
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美国3年自然灾害饿死人4500万, 新冠死人178万
-jief(Jie);
2022-8-19
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不是一个时代,根本无可比性。“关公战秦琼”:找人家历史上的污点来比自己的现在,是中共外宣的惯用伎俩。中国那时还人吃人肉呢,甚至1963年渡荒,到文革都有。
过去土共总是比“旧社会”,其中许多旧社会的罪恶都是土共为了宣传伪造的,比如所谓四大恶霸刘文彩、黄世仁、南霸天和周扒皮四人中,除刘文彩外,三人均是文学编造https://read01.com/G3Dg8n.html。而刘文彩,也是按“阶级斗争”的需要重新创作出来的。
现在信息发达,土共没法那样明目张胆地伪造了,但仍然可以用 “关公战秦琼”来蒙骗,暗度陈仓。
-jtrt(st);
2022-8-20
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资本的原始积累都是惭愧的血腥的
-zzj999(ZT);
2022-8-19
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那些嘴扛人权大旗的听不到灯塔下的众白骨哭泣没?
-ly2010(天暖和了);
2022-8-19
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杀了3个世纪才杀了这么点人,比我天国差远了,我天国3年能搞死几千万自己族人!另外,所谓的农民起义,太平天国其实杀人太多,现在都不敢说了。以前历史书还大书特书呢!
-coolrock(coolrock);
2022-8-19
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中国也……?大屠杀这种事发生在哪里都不光彩,说别人不光彩并不能让你自己光彩,只会让你自我安慰。中国历史上大屠杀很多,所以今天才十几亿华人。针对印第安人只有两三百的屠杀,近百年已经没有大屠杀了,保护起来了,可是现在人口多少了?
-897102(路人甲的假马甲);
2022-8-19
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真是硬洗。
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2022-8-19
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我这就叫洗?楼主说谈印第安人人口减少问题,楼上扯到中国历史上的大屠杀,那这算什么?
-897102(路人甲的假马甲);
2022-8-19
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言简意赅心平气和讲事实而已。硬洗的典型特征是逻辑混乱。
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2022-8-19
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就这么危险和无耻的地方你们还来。
-https(url);
2022-8-19
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3000万-1亿,谁张嘴就来啊?当时中国高度集约化农业,除东北外所有事宜居住的地方都开垦了才大概1亿人。整个美洲有这样的农业的地方估计加起来还没有两湖几个县大。
-grainsw(两只小猪之神勇小白鼠);
2022-8-19
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Population history of Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia
-lifewillbebetter(XYY);
2022-8-20
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按照网页的说法,整个美洲也就这么多人。美加的原住民也就3百多万。
-iamflying(叶和花);
2022-8-23
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英文有那么差么,还看百度2
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2022-8-19
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I'd suggest that you read the original history in English, instead of reading something from Baidu.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-19
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老大英文好,一目十行,帮看看?
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-19
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Does it use the word massacre?
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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没有,但种族灭绝不一定要靠的屠杀
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Another thing is, that's only a paper, it's not a historical record. Academic papers can be right but it can be wrong too
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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那篇论文里有很多参考文献,强国饿死3千万也不是历史(官方)的记录
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Every paper has a lot of references that doesn't mean that those references are correct neither does it mean that the conclusion or the points in this paper is correct too
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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正确与否都是一种观点,留待世人评判
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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WIKI: Population figures for the Indigenous people of the Americas prior to colonization have proven difficult to establish.Scholars rely on archaeological data and written records from European settlers. By the end of the 20th century most scholars gravitated toward an estimate of around 50 million—with some historians arguing for an estimate of 100 million or more.[1][2]
-lifewillbebetter(XYY);
2022-8-20
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There was no government, no civilization, no written language, no calendar. So, no reliable records.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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美国和加拿大现在的地方是美洲最差的,西班牙占了好的地方,英法只好占这块地方。北美印度安人就没有建立起城市,就一些游牧部落,怎么可能有上千万
-gta_palace(呄 - 每天乃古);
2022-8-19
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三观问题,西方的事情要大事化小,是幸福生活的保证
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-19
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准确地说是采集狩猎部落,游牧要人工饲养牛马羊,北美好像也没啥本地驯化的牲畜。采集狩猎部落的平均密度不会超过1人/平方公里,加拿大北部就更稀少了。
-grainsw(两只小猪之神勇小白鼠);
2022-8-19
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There was no civilization at all. Peopl didn't know how to do agriculture.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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移民出来了还要看百度,真是白移民了
-heeltoe(地球真可怕我想回火星);
2022-8-19
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上肉联算什么?
-lifewillbebetter(XYY);
2022-8-20
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在中文论坛里讨论一个事情居然有那么多秀英文的,奇葩永存!其实不论英文中文玛雅文,只要能与数千万证实证伪相关才是有价值的语言
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Rolia is not a forum only for Chinese language.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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那是我们国人的想法错了,肉脸是世界论坛
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Rolia is a forum in North America
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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People coming to North America are supposed to use English
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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加拿大是多元文化社会,用国语和粤语的人有近百万,温哥华国际机场都有显著的中文指引,不用英文没啥大的问题
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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No matter what ,that's wrong to accuse people of wrongdoing by using English in a North American social networking website.
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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不谋而合,肉脸不能要求只用英语或英语来源
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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It was you accusing others for using English
Regarding English source of information that's reasonable because it's about things in North America you cannot rely on Chinese translation especially when the translation could be manipulated
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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我是指责只接受英语来源,实际上本楼里的帖子用英语只有你一个,但指责不用英语来源的有一大把,让老大你躺枪了
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Regarding English source of information that's reasonable because it's about things in North America you cannot rely on Chinese translation especially when the translation could be manipulated
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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学术问题是无国界的
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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Unfortunately in certain countries academic studies are tainted by the regime and becomes not reliable. In those countries there were no true academic studies but just propaganda to serve certain purposes
-sailor(Ocean & Mountain);
2022-8-20
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当局者迷,旁观者清,也是一个法门
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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你给的英文报告明确指出印第安人死亡的主要原因是传染病,百度只字不提,这就是为啥一定要懂英文看英文原文的原因。
-curve(curve);
2022-8-20
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你想说明什么?人类有茹毛饮血的前古史,也有血腥的义和团一战二战的近代史,正是经历过这些蛮荒时代,我们要珍惜今天的还是脆弱的文明。就因为印第安人,犹太人遭受过屠杀,就否认现在西方民主国家的文明?你在孩提时尿过床,你现在成人还尿吗(当然有的人还尿,那是病态)?就因为你小时候尿过床,外星人说:地球人,总尿床?
-steven8888(夜太黑);
2022-8-20
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应该算是近代史
-xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba);
2022-8-20
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这样的内容,一本正经写在半官方的“百科”网站!整个社会对外边的世界和自己的世界的认知。。。堪忧!难道是为了迷惑美帝故意装傻?
-xiyu66(lake);
2022-8-20
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