Topic: Covid得病感悟之二：Fight w/ whatever tools you may get. @SF湾区华人论坛:SF湾区枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of San Francisco

枫下家园 / 医药保健 / Covid得病感悟之二：Fight w/ whatever tools you may get. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2023-10-31 {5414} (#14042629@0) +21

祝早日恢复到正常人生活～现在继续静养 -once01(一切都还没结束); 2021-10-15 (#14042633@0) +4
记得有句话叫病急乱投医 -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-10-15 (#14042643@0) +22
首先安慰你一下，不要被别人说吃"兽药"就心情不好，他们那么说就是想恶心恶心你，等到他们自己有问题的时候，不要说兽药了，他们如果听说吃shi有效，都会抢着去吃的😂。其次我要批评你一下哈，
都知道你老婆生病了，还同床共寝，不做防护，你的胆子太大了。不过伉俪情深，是对令人羡慕的小鸳鸯😝
你为什么不吃V C? 得病以后应该早点上VC。advil据说没有泰诺好。伊唯早点吃，可能就没有那么辛苦了。我个人觉得你吃的伊唯计量有点大哈。😊
-wuxin123(小肥饭袋子); 2021-10-15 {243} (#14042645@0) +12

不足8小时? -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-10-15 (#14042648@0)

还有第二觉呢。现在先批阅一下奏章，批阅困了就睡😂 -wuxin123(小肥饭袋子); 2021-10-15 (#14042649@0)

对，疫情初期是有説泰诺效果好。还有没有看到楼主说补充维生素D，不知有帮助没有 -sunrain88(养蛆成蛊); 2021-10-15 (#14042699@0) +1

他说了吃了VD -wuxin123(小肥饭袋子); 2021-10-15 (#14042736@0) +1

I had taken VC, Z-pack got a bunch of medications. You can google it. I followed that priscriptin. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043026@0)

Sure, thanks for reminding 👍 -wuxin123(小肥饭袋子); 2021-10-15 (#14043073@0)

油盐不进，多说无益。唯祝早日康复。 -897102(肉俩不良帅); 2021-10-15 (#14042653@0) +8
多多休息。请问你爱人的具体情况是怎样的？ -silkshimmer(小蝉); 2021-10-15 (#14042659@0)

she had syndrome earlier than me. condition was worse than me. She took IVM as well, and 4 days after, fever was gone. I may write something about her experience down the road. BTW, thx for asking! -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043033@0)

咳嗽嗓子不舒服可以多吃梨 -doris99(智🐮); 2021-10-15 (#14042665@0)
听起来像病急乱投医。或者死马当作活马医。 -235(豹脾气); 2021-10-15 (#14042692@0) +17

那现在如果测试阳性发烧咳嗽了，家庭医生会管么？可以去看急诊么，能开什么药么？还是只能自己喝白开水愣挺着…… 难道不是迫不得已才自己给自己用药的 -sunrain88(养蛆成蛊); 2021-10-15 (#14042698@0) +12

家庭医生基本上不接待。 -235(豹脾气); 2021-10-15 (#14042740@0) +3

所以要预防为主 -xiaozuiba(xiaozuiba); 2021-10-15 (#14042746@0) +1

my family doc was not a bad lady. She at least squeezed me in for an urgent phone appt. But what can she do? she can't prescribe nothing. Be prepared my friend, once contracting it, you will know how bad this system is. It will eat you life! -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043051@0) +5

我们害怕，所以打疫苗 -xixihaha2010(haha); 2021-10-15 (#14043062@0) +3

目前信息表明，疫苗只是降低让你感染、重症的几率，如果不幸还是得上新冠了，你决定就是硬抗呢还是尝试“兽药”？也就是说你准备“病急乱投医”还是硬抗？ -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043070@0) +5

GB 36 weeks after double dose, vaxx infection rate is much higher than nonvaxx. I saw BC new infection from 95% unvax back in Aug to 67% as of yesterday. I bet to year end we will see the majority of infected are vaxx. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043078@0) +4

我觉得时间才是最好的证明，咱目前就事论事，根据已有的、大家都能认可的数据来说理。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043184@0)

确实有点拼。 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14042977@0) +1
In a way, under the current Canadian Covid policy, you are a dead horse indeed. You may either try to overcome it with absolutely no help till go to hospital, or you may choose what I have done. For me, easy decision. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043041@0) +7

理解。保重！ -235(豹脾气); 2021-10-15 (#14043068@0) +1

感谢您的病程经历分享，愿早日康复！现在有做COVID 测试，转阴了么？肺部要不要拍个x光片检查下？另外关于咳嗽的恢复可以考虑使用中药糖浆调理，京都念慈菴。挺怀念国内通宣理肺丸、止咳橘红丸，这边没地方卖吧。 -sunrain88(养蛆成蛊); 2021-10-15 (#14042693@0) +10
祝贺你康复。吃20头牛用剂量的马药，我知道抓住救命稻草是啥意思了。你抓了稻草但实际可能是压了根大木头，只是你还是挺过来了而己。 -abcdefghi(9alphabetic); 2021-10-15 (#14042714@0) +9

“ 在上了IVM后的第4天，没有再发烧！”。其实按照发烧的阶段来说，即使不上獣药（20头牛用的计量），也该退烧了，，，，， -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14042726@0) +16

you may choose what you believe and take whatever action you like. For me, and all who may contract covid down the road, I strongly suggest don't do that. IVM helps, I am the approve. It is your choice, if you r able to get some. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043020@0) +4

没错。小粉红就信党妈莲花清瘟。 -firetrain(火车头); 2021-10-15 (#14043034@0) +2

我不信那个，只要吃退烧药+物理降温，大部分没有基础病的人会3-4天退烧正常， -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14043046@0) +3

有基础病 -firetrain(火车头); 2021-10-15 (#14043085@0)

有药却不让医生给患者开，什么世道，幸亏楼主有准备 -jackliu8688(Jack); 2021-10-15 (#14042717@0) +20

群魔乱舞的世道～ -evelyn123(Eva); 2021-10-15 (#14042729@0) +5
也就楼主身体好，你觉得有多少人可以像楼主一样挺住20头牛的獣药剂量，咱都不说潜在的后遗症。 -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14042735@0) +10

not big deal. It is recommended dosage from FLCCC. Those are real doctors dealing with real patient, much more trustworthy than those "public health officer". IVM is safe. I read you may even take 3 times dosage and it is still consider in safe range. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043061@0) +7

恢复了就好，保重！ -retirecat(☁️); 2021-10-15 (#14042743@0) +2
祝福康复！提醒一下：我记得一直都说新冠退烧要吃泰诺不可以吃Advil？！ -shunshunshun(顺顺顺); 2021-10-15 (#14042753@0) +2

Was saying that at the beginning but when I consulting with the public health nurse, clearly given green light for Advil. And Advil works way better than Tylenol. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043064@0)

谢谢告知 -shunshunshun(顺顺顺); 2021-10-15 (#14043084@0)
Advil 退烧效果快，不过比较伤肝。 -retirecat(☁️); 2021-10-15 (#14043274@0)
advil会消炎 -utgfxval3(蛙); 2021-10-16 (#14044866@0)

事后诸葛亮？ -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14042759@0) +1
恭喜楼主基本康复。对上面某些回帖，说兽药可能有副作用，那为什么不考虑疫苗已经展现的副作用，尤其是对低危的年轻人群？还有说乱吃药、乱投医的，你倒是说说LZ如果去医院，不管打没打过针，能有什么药吃？不是还是靠硬挺？ -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14042776@0) +14
非常感谢楼主在恢复期还给大家分享经验！还是要注意多休息，少用脑，希望尽快全面恢复！看了楼上两派的回帖，感觉真的很无奈。其实不管打没打疫苗，不得病的几率都不是100%，一旦得病，不管这个FLCCC的药方有没有用，你都被剥夺了一种治疗方法。何况目前医疗机构很明确的告诉你一旦进医院，没有完全有用的治疗方法，为什么对自己少一种治疗，很可能还是有效的方案（很多人证明了有效）而欢呼呢？真的无法理解。 -newvest1(新衣); 2021-10-15 {263} (#14042812@0) +14
恭喜楼主过了这个坎 -string2(反正死不了那就活着吧); 2021-10-15 (#14042850@0) +2
最近推特上德州有家全家感染的和你家很像，也是小孩在學校得了回家傳給父母，小孩幾天就好了，大人比較辛苦IVM都用上了，最後也挺過來了，好好休養，胃口不好多喝點大米粥，健康1+1節目里中醫推薦的 -nopush(nopush); 2021-10-15 (#14042857@0) +8
摘自主贴 ‘医疗里面最重要的就是Informed Decision。而今天疫苗的推广过程中，这些疫苗推手们最想让你放弃的就是你Informed的权力。’说得好！！！ -nazacalines(游戏改变者); 2021-10-15 (#14042861@0) +14
去拍一下X光看看肺部情况 -zyx131313(木可); 2021-10-15 (#14042887@0) +1
祝贺你挺过来了！ -donmils(妈妈); 2021-10-15 (#14042907@0) +4
请问楼主：你得病后有没有咨询过医生？你从哪儿了解医院对新冠的诊疗情况？ -f2f(风子); 2021-10-15 (#14042917@0) +1

man, I called all the drs I could never reached. Family Dr. Fraser Health nurse hotline, only thing I did not go is ER. All the same, no medication except Advil/Tylenol. Canadian medical is eating you live. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043013@0) +8

看看这个 “在美国确诊新冠肺炎！在家自愈经历分享”，好像和你的得病进程差不多，就是吃退烧药降体温，然后康复，严重怀疑你不吃你的那药最后也是一样康复，或者说并不是你自己吃的药治好了Covid -f2f(风子); 2021-10-15 {783} (#14043077@0) +4

as I said above. You may choose whatever you believe and take appropriate action. For me, it was easy decision. and I know IVM helped me. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043093@0) +3

打电话的时有被问到是否打了疫苗吗 -curve(curve); 2021-10-16 (#14044916@0) +1

LOL，求仁得仁，祝贺。 -uno(无双); 2021-10-15 (#14042924@0) +3
强烈建议恢复后去照个胸片或者和医生联系一下看可不可以做个胸部CT，主要是查看是否有肺部纤维化的情况。
还有吃了这么多自己开的药，有空去做个血常规和尿常规检查吧，主要查看肝功能和肾功能的情况。放宽心好好修养，挺过了最难的时候，身体会慢慢恢复，多多保重。 -ilikemycats(我爱我猫); 2021-10-15 {150} (#14042944@0) +3

嗯，新冠后遗症很可怕。还是疫苗预防吧 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043057@0) +5
yes, made appt with family doc next week. But I doubt she will prescribe x-way or CT, you know how the system works here. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043072@0)

现在的情况还是少去医院，穷魔乱舞的时候 -doris99(智🐮); 2021-10-15 (#14043148@0) +2
你要跟医生讲新冠之后依然有咳嗽的症状， -ilikemycats(我爱我猫); 2021-10-15 {527} (#14043277@0) +2

Good advise. I am not against doc for sure,but I have to say I don't give them much reputation neither. They watch you slowly deteriorated on the sideline, willing or unwilling, chose to not giving helping hands. This is reality, harsh, cold, but true reality. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {217} (#14043296@0)

医生我觉得没有看的必要。。。 -doris99(智🐮); 2021-10-15 (#14043499@0) +1
病程中如果血氧饱和度一度低于正常，去拍个胸片，应该是需要的，和你的家庭医生讲这个，应该会给你做。指尖测得SpO2可能会比血气测出来的SaO2还要低两三个百分点。好好养病。 -micah(mica); 2021-10-15 (#14043905@0)

我感觉BC看病比安省困难点，安省医生很容易开各种检查单 -shunshunshun(顺顺顺); 2021-10-16 (#14044948@0)

非常感谢楼主详细的经历分享，HCQ对delta变种不太有效，IVM就明显些，这也是FLCCC在印度大规模实验的结果，IVM不是新冠圣药，因对早期新冠和巴西变种也许不太有效。 -lovedrive(深蓝爷爷); 2021-10-15 (#14042946@0) +5

That is good to know. it matches my experience. I had HCQ for 10+ days before switch to IVM, won't say HCQ completely useless but its effectiveness is not obvious. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043095@0) +1

Try it. it won‘t hurt! ---- Who said that? 当然这几种药也都是相对安全的，应该没什么大问题。就是这药量有点吓人。“FLCCC药方，每公斤体重0.6mg, 我算了算，需要60mg,IVM一片5mg,一次我要吃12片！按药瓶上推荐量是30只羊或者20只牛的用量。”----- 我的天，你心真大。FLCCC是什么？ -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 {155} (#14042967@0) +1

别人就不要试了，吃不吃药都大几率会好，吃药没好的也几乎没有记录（没人知道或有机会记录），但是超过数十倍计量獣药（还是大型动物)入体后，对于人的肝肾伤害是几率非常大的 -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14043022@0) +2

我肯定不吃 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043059@0) +3
看Caleb Wallace. 反口罩运动组织者。吃了IVM。最后died. -amarida(Lion); 2021-10-16 {741} (#14044905@0) +1

他7月26日有症状，30日就进医院了，IVM没吃几天，医院是不会给IVM的，用所谓主流的治疗手段治了一个月，结果死在医院了。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-16 (#14045256@0) +1

还有吃了这么多自己开的药，最好有空去做个血常规和尿常规检查吧，查看一下肝功能和肾功能状况。放宽心好好修养，挺过了最难的时候，身体会慢慢恢复，多多保重。 -ilikemycats(我爱我猫); 2021-10-15 (#14043019@0) +4
Thank God -firetrain(火车头); 2021-10-15 (#14043025@0)
哪种药物对哪种变异更有效是个好问题. 可怜的我们不知道病毒的结构, 机理.... IVM量好大, 有一些指导是 0.2mg/kg -returntoffice(等等); 2021-10-15 (#14043042@0)

那是预防用量。早期治疗就是要用楼主那么大的量。 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043045@0) +2

好在HCQ和 IVM相对安全，只要没有过量服用... 你比我不打的人更懂 :) -returntoffice(等等); 2021-10-15 (#14043054@0)

这真是死马当活马医的情况，所以如果你还没到快死的境地，还是别吃。我建议如果严重到入院治疗，偷偷把药带进医院，如果近一步严重要送ICU时自己偷偷服用。 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043071@0)

快死的境地吃? -firetrain(火车头); 2021-10-15 (#14043087@0)
看样子你没住过医院，都扒的溜光的，在那儿藏药啊。这就是为啥那些人都留在家里偷偷服用，如果挺过来就是药效高，如果成天使的了，即使想骂此药是骗子也没人知道。 -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14043138@0) +3

下一步应该探讨如何藏药了吧？ -897102(肉俩不良帅); 2021-10-15 (#14043151@0)

没那么夸张啦, 以前去非洲, 加拿大的医生给我打了黄热病, 流脑疫苗, 开了一周的HCQ预防疟疾, 我吃了一周 -returntoffice(等等); 2021-10-15 (#14043511@0)

你是预防，楼主是治疗，量一样吗？ -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043560@0)

进了医院就被剥夺自己吃药的权力了，美国至少4例病人靠打官司才用上了IVM。那个黑人影星认为自己要死在医院了，坚持出院，然后他医生给开了IVM，很快就好了。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043586@0) +1

所以我才说自己偷偷吃啊 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043594@0)

进了医院自己带的任何药都会被没收的。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043605@0)

我说了偷偷 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043614@0)

老大看看手里剩的半板“神药”和即将起飞的boarding card, 毅然决然的反身冲出了机场，，， -guanshui88(约定); 2021-10-15 (#14043055@0)

我上次就问他买了多少，劝他多买点带回来，他不听啊 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043067@0)

感谢楼主分享。恭喜楼主一家平安。 -iga(nikita); 2021-10-15 (#14043104@0) +1
中心思想: Covid 真实存在而且不是一般的感冒。全家一起感染也不是虚构的。退烧还是靠advil 。楼主如果只吃了那个药没吃advil退了烧才算有说服力。 -aibengbeng(ABBA没马甲); 2021-10-15 (#14043168@0) +8

那也说明不了问题。病毒感染一般都自愈。烧几天就自然退了 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043268@0)
Advil works for 6 hours, then temperature backed up, repeated for 4 days while I am taking IVM. It is the IVM that locked the temperature low for good. That is a fact. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043343@0) +1

你这是把你五十年读博的三观全毁了。 -xz730000(笑一笑，十年少); 2021-10-15 (#14043193@0) +4

楼主是博士？不会吧？ -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043260@0) +3

Was Ph.D. Candidate. Best thing ever in my life, to quite that program! -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043282@0) +2

估计没遇到好导师。 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043566@0)

没医生敢开这么大剂量的伊维菌素。怪不得美国兽药中毒的挤爆了急诊室。建议你去查一下肝肾功能 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043228@0) +4

纳闷这个FLCCC药方是什么？怎么敢开牛用量的二十倍给人？有任何实验依据吗？ -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043263@0)

LZ服的量只是人服用IVM预防寄生虫剂量的3倍，我怀疑他搞错了牛的用量。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043349@0)

Label says 0.6 pill,which is 3 mg for 10kg cow, for treat 寄生虫. I follow FLCCC recommendation, 0.6mg per kg body weight, which translate to 60 mg per dose. so by omitting the weight difference, it is roughly say I am taking 20 times cow's dosage, which is a little exaggerated. Sorry for the confusing. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {284} (#14043360@0)
人是几个月服一剂，楼主是一天一剂，恐怕楼主的服用量是正常的百倍以上 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043383@0) +1

美国要所有难民服用0.2mg/kg, 连服两天，共0.4mg/kg. LZ服0.6mg/kg, 算他服了5天，共3mg/kg，哪来的百倍？ -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043392@0) +1

我算成连服三个月了。普通剂量是0.2mg/kg, 三个月一剂，楼主是15倍正常剂量，也还是挺吓人的。难民2倍还可以说得过去 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043443@0)

你说的那是预防用的，就算治疗寄生虫也不会只服一天。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043523@0)

我说的是普通剂量（usual dose），因为兽药不靠血液浓度杀寄生虫，所以不需要长期连续服用，连服两天已经算是大剂量了 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043545@0)

要是那样的话，剂量看起来还合理，至少药物中毒可能性不是很大。只要自己相信，不坊一试。不过，“牛二十倍的剂量”，那是要出事的。 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043564@0)

好像是通过体外研究得到的，只有这么大剂量血液浓度才能抑制病毒。兽药可以沉积在组织中，所以消灭寄生虫只需要很少剂量。但新冠病毒是在血管中，所以需要保持血液药物浓度，这就要了命了 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043398@0) +1

记得是这样的，浓度不够就不管用。所以如果快死了确实可以博一下 -wifi(远方); 2021-10-15 (#14043403@0)

那些快死了的体内已经没有病毒了，如果还能治是别的机理。 -curve(curve); 2021-10-16 (#14044920@0)

我去，体外研究也算？那样的话，消毒剂最管用，二十分钟肯定杀死新冠病毒。 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043547@0) +1

别老纠结什么体外研究了，美国的Dr. Joseph Varon用IVM治疗过几千个新冠病人了。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043578@0) +2

可惜没有证据，没有拿得出手的paper。 -curve(curve); 2021-10-16 (#14044921@0)

observational study -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-16 {198} (#14045178@0)

那干嘛还反对 RCT呢？只能说Ivermectin Observational Study 对Covid-19 被一些人被歪曲成有效的样子，本应和RCT一样证明 Ivermectin对 Covid 19是无效的。。 -curve(curve); 2021-10-17 (#14048397@0)

谁反对RCT啊，谁愿意做就做好了，不是到现在也没有一个有说服力的RCT来证明无效，让FDA可以理直气壮的宣布无效吗？ -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-17 (#14048451@0)

FLCCC呗。 -curve(curve); 2021-10-17 (#14048558@0)

相比这个菌素只做过体外研究，疫苗更进一步的二期，三期临床实验都做了，这些是菌素都没做过的。然后你相信菌素，不相信疫苗？😂😂 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-16 (#14046632@0)

you are about to take booster now, u still believe in this vaxx? -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-17 (#14047066@0) +3

You wish。希望疫苗无效，够冷血的。 -curve(curve); 2021-10-17 (#14048562@0)

I am talking about the hard cold fact. You need to wake up! Booster clearly says two dose is not good enough. Booster is not for Delta clearly says vaxx can't be improved. You can't see it through, that is your problem. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-17 (#14048739@0) +4

There is no evidence says healthy people with functional immune system need booster, this is based on science, not your wishful thinking. -curve(curve); 2021-10-18 (#14049208@0) +1

you are intentionally blind for not seeing what is going on in Israel. You don't want to admit it, that is fine. Time will tell. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-18 (#14049491@0) +3

你怎么知道只做过体外研究？海量的证据你不愿意看而已。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-17 {791} (#14048454@0) +1

“挤爆急诊室”是哪来的消息？还是你杜撰的？The NPDS says 1,143 ivermectin exposure cases were reported between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31. 还是美国的急诊室真是太小了？ -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043273@0) +2

挤爆急诊室天天都有，我们医院一线的医务天天都经历。因为新冠，医生们都网上或者电话问诊，都说有紧急情况去医院急诊，结果天天急诊室都爆满，好多患者要等很久才能被处理。这种情况最怕的就是耽误真正需要急诊的病人。 -ilikemycats(我爱我猫); 2021-10-15 (#14043283@0)

这里特指因为兽药中毒而导致的挤爆急诊室，你得看楼上的帖子明白上下文啊。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043308@0) +4
let patients dry at home,don't give any medication, and I am not surprised a lot of those patients end up in ER. As I said, Canadian Covid protocol is a joke, a killing machine w/o mercy. Regardless you take vaxx or not, once contracting it, you are on your own. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {237} (#14043333@0) +5

一两个月前看到的，看起来是谣言。兽药中毒虽然增加了一两倍，但还没有挤爆急诊室的地步 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043366@0)

you bought MSM lie about IVM. CDC received fair amount of IVM inquires,most is about the safe dosage, very few ER visits. My impression was at most a handful of ER visits. IVM is safe, period! BTW, this fair amount of inquires is less than 10% of all the vaccine side effects calls, just for your comparison. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {237} (#14043281@0) +3

MSM已经辟谣了，虽然兽药中毒有所增加，但没有挤爆急诊室。刚看到一个新闻可能有了第一个死于兽药中毒的 -tzm_oasis(绿洲); 2021-10-15 (#14043514@0)

yea they are like flies hitting sh*t whenever saw opportunity to discredit any covid medication.Have you heard MSM report vaccine death? there are as much as 60k death in USA alone. They chose to report single case of potential horse drug death but ignore thousands of vaxx death, this along says something. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {211} (#14043556@0) +4
看到新闻说有两个可能的案例，但是还没具体调查，所以最终没有任何证明的可能性很大，然后绝大多数人只会存有IVM吃死人了的概念。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043741@0) +2

你服用的量只是人用来预防寄生虫的3倍，怎么会是20只牛的用量？我怀疑你搞错了牛的用量。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043356@0)

see above. #14043360@0 -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043362@0)

牛治寄生虫用0.3mg/kg, 你服的是0.6mg/kg，只是每公斤体重剂量的两倍。你这个20只牛的用量的说法不准确，把人吓坏了。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043375@0) +3

sorry man! yea I was a little bit joking on that. Without talking about the body weight, just talking about the amount is misleading. I was like "标题党". LOL. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043458@0)

大头，你是只吃了一次的IVM, 后面几天是吃Advil辅助？ -evelyn123(Eva); 2021-10-15 (#14043492@0)

I took IVM for 5 days. During the first 3 days, I have to use Advil every 6 to 8 hours to keep the temperature down. Fever was gone by day 4, means I don't need Advil any longer, so on the fifth day, I took only 1/3 of dosage of IVM. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043537@0)

谢谢！！辛苦了！！！ -evelyn123(Eva); 2021-10-15 (#14043588@0)

是，精确点的说法是，单位体重服用剂量是牛的两倍，但由于体重远低于牛，比牛吃的绝对量还是要少很多的。而牛应该是天天吃吧？牛奶里有没有残余也很难说吧？坛里吃牛奶（间接吃兽药？）的也不少吧? -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043749@0) +3

I think IVM only given to baby cow, calf, not adult cow. 寄生虫 usually happens for baby cow/goat anyway. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043823@0)

没研究过，毕竟咱们不是养牛、养羊，不关心那个。 -lifyy(lifyy); 2021-10-15 (#14043834@0)

感谢分享，祝早日康复，想问下Ｚpack哪里买啊？ -dimiling(dimiling); 2021-10-15 (#14043455@0)

IVM through aliexpress. HCQ from India seller. 阿奇霉素 from China. Also bought human IVM from india but still stuck at Canada border, since Sep 12. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043543@0) +1

看来加拿大政府禁IVM比禁毒还卖力，寄进来都不行了。 -blueskygg(Grass); 2021-10-15 (#14043555@0) +9

是啊，从来没这么卖力过 -dimiling(dimiling); 2021-10-15 (#14043766@0) +2

多谢多谢，之前一直犹豫，现在看来必须得寄啊，看看国内能弄到什么药吧，谢谢啦！ -dimiling(dimiling); 2021-10-15 (#14043763@0) +1

我去,楼主真敢吹。你连一只牛的用量都没有，还吹二十只牛？😂😂牛多重知道不？吹牛，吹牛。。。是不是就是这么来的😂😂 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043579@0) +2

haha, got your attention? LOL! Technically I was not lying. That medication was for calf with standard weight of 10 kg. Label says 0.6 pill per calf. I took 12 pills each day, effectively 20 calf dosage. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043655@0)

蒜泥狠😂。你非说十公斤那小牛也叫牛。你还可以吹自己有十牛十虎之力。吹，你接着吹😂😂 -newrover(漫游); 2021-10-15 (#14043676@0) +1

谢谢分享。祝平安祝早日安康！你说你如果去医院也不会有药吗？ -green234(靠后); 2021-10-15 {30} (#14043656@0)

Except steroid,they will give you nothing! in AB a brave Korean Doc gave IVM to three patients in hospital, saved at least two, he was put on leave. That is on the news! They don't want to cure you. We are in era to personally experiencing what real evil is. For good or bad, we have to go through it to see light on the other side of the tunnel. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 {331} (#14043830@0)

看了楼主的日记好怕，我也有两孩子在上学，可是mra苗貌似越来越鸡肋，哪位知道另外一种蛋白苗啥时上市？还有请问楼主是身宽体胖型的吗？ -whiteblacktea(黑白茶); 2021-10-15 (#14043670@0)

no. I am 185, though weight 100 kg, don't really shown at all. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14043832@0)

楼主身体健康，不超重，还这么厉害，我……好怕怕 -whiteblacktea(黑白茶); 2021-10-15 (#14043838@0)
生病初期有没有吃令血糖高的食物或者淀粉吃得多？在一个米国群内有三个美国ICU一线医生，他们说目测BMI高胖是第一危险因素其次才是基础病 -shunshunshun(顺顺顺); 2021-10-16 (#14044951@0)
按这个身高体重计算BMI，已经在overweight最上线，马上就进obesity组了 -mocarly(80); 2021-10-16 (#14045079@0) +1

转：2021年注定是不平凡的一年。对于我来说， -123yanguang(阳光); 2021-10-15 {2876} (#14043779@0) +7

好惨，我也是有心脏早搏的问题，我要是睡觉不够心脏就隐隐不舒服，所以一直拖着，现在真是左右为难 -whiteblacktea(黑白茶); 2021-10-15 (#14043836@0) +2
看了这篇文章，打过和没打过的一样得，打过的还伤害了心脏，不知道打这个疫苗的目的是什么 -615(分享快乐); 2021-10-15 (#14043841@0) +12

公司赚钱，谁管你老百姓死活。 -westvv(Bestway); 2021-10-15 (#14043853@0) +7

对不起，如果政府规定打第三针才算，你在他们字典里算没有免疫！ -westvv(Bestway); 2021-10-15 (#14043849@0) +7
不要参加聚会，不要参加聚会，不要参加聚会 -sophia654321(Sophia); 2021-10-15 (#14043871@0) +1
打了疫苗的感染機會高於沒打疫苗的 -nopush(nopush); 2021-10-15 (#14043918@0) +9
不知道参加大聚会有没戴口罩。 -vacationgirl(重新振作); 2021-10-18 (#14049211@0)

牛人，不敢乱吃药 -sophia654321(Sophia); 2021-10-15 (#14043866@0)
我的天，遭这罪，吃兽药的后遗症和打疫苗没办法比较 -meichu({}); 2021-10-15 (#14043868@0) +4

呵呵 -sophia654321(Sophia); 2021-10-15 (#14043872@0)

多休息,早日完全康復,60mg Ivermectin連續吃4天,還是要小心觀察是否有什麼負作用,一篇報告,20歲的瑞士女性,15mg口服單劑,1個月後肝功能異常,不過Ivermectin在正常劑量下,肝傷害的病例極少,肝臟的自我修復能力也不錯,總之,注意身體,早日康復 -youarenotfunnyatall(草山); 2021-10-15 (#14043938@0) +3

I have a question. How can we notice any anomalies of the liver without doing a lab test? -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-10-15 (#14043966@0) +3

肝臟沒有神經,是所謂的” 沈默的器官”,有症狀的時候,比如食慾差,皮膚黃,白便,右上腹疼痛,通常都已經有些嚴重了 -youarenotfunnyatall(草山); 2021-10-16 (#14046699@0)

Thanks for your concern. It has been more than 1 week since I stopped IVM, so far so good. Around the world many took it, and I read none side effect except the one you listed above. I think it is safe to say the chance of liver going bad is slim. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-15 (#14044398@0) +2

別管這些了,現在専心照顧自己和另一半 -youarenotfunnyatall(草山); 2021-10-16 (#14046704@0)
谢谢你费心写了这些，没想到去医院会更可怕。不知何时是看到阳光的隧道尽头。看来还是得想办法买药。 -lily-wind(Lily-wind); 2021-10-25 (#14066387@0) +2

祝贺楼主自救抗疫成功，全家安好！ -itwriting(halfpercent); 2021-10-16 (#14045440@0) +7
IanZ -tiger80(tiger80); 2021-10-16 (#14046056@0)
还好你有准备，否则如果到了医院，就由不得你了。仔细听听去年多伦多North York 养老院发生的事情，并看一下回复就知道现在的可恶之处。 -tiger80(tiger80); 2021-10-16 {670} (#14046086@0) +3

去年就有新闻说多伦多有个养老院没有死几个老人，可就是不说他们凑巧用了ivm -itwriting(halfpercent); 2021-10-16 (#14046190@0) +6

得新冠的人很虚弱，也许和血液中的血栓有关，氧气不能进入血液进入人体。进医院吸氧能起的作用也不大。

大头吃了“Aspirin 81mg"吗？论坛里说它能减少重症进医院。
ASPIRIN® 81mg 片剂可防止血小板进一步积聚，减少新血栓形成的机会。
这个是柜台药，不需要医生处方。

-lily-wind(Lily-wind); 2021-10-29 {243} (#14074296@0)

Yes, while taking IVM, I took aspirin 325mg, also over the counter. Covid in later stage is blood disease. I am still taking aspirin right now. Plan to take it for another two weeks. -headbig(Let's Rock！); 2021-10-29 (#14074542@0)

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