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枫下沙龙 / 梦想天空 / Mr. Dumb, I've been exploring Ezra Pound a little bit since you touched on base about Wangwei and Pound .
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Apparently, it's quite difficult to understand his experiment on what's so called Imagism, which as suggested derived from Chinese and Japanese poems.
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Is Wangwei a Chinese imagist who inspired Pound?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Pound read and interpreted the "Wang Wei" in his own mind/projection. However, Wang Wei is not an imagist.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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So Chinese poems have nothing to do with Imagism? Imagism was single-handedly created or developed by Pound out of nowhere?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Having something to do is different from being the determining factor of something.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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Inspiring factor , then?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Shall we say that without Wangwei, there would be no Imagism?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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Pound would have found imagism with or without Wang Wei. The tribute he paid to Wang Wei and Japanese poems was more a recognition of genealogy rather than an authentic indebtedness of poetic creativity.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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Yet, why Pound didn't pay his tribute to any other Chinese poets but Wangwei only?
-wantbaby(：）);
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there is enough poetic rapport to convince him that he could trace his poetic genealogy back to Wang Wei.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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So Wangwei was indeed Pound's inspiring flame one way or the other?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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more like reaffirming flame.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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Why modern Pound "needed" to be reaffirmed by ancient Wangwei?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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the same reason Nietzsche went back to Greek tragedy.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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What is Imagism? Is it romantic or realistic? What is the ultimate purpose that Pound tried to accommodate?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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I feel it is anti-romanticism as well as anti-realism. they wanted to push poetry beyond the boundary of language. image is graphical, not narrative.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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Isn't something between Romanticism and Realism?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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I would say it is something beyond Romanticism and Realism.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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Can you please substantiate and consolidate this "would say", Mr. Dumb?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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for a couple reasons: both Romanticism and Realism are social/political. they are both narrative oriented. they strive to make their work being "understood" by their audience. imagism is asocial and apolitical (Pound's association with Nazi is a big topic beyond the scope here). it attempts to break the unspoken blood tie between language and poetry. it encourage the reader to "feel" rather than understand poety.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
2017-3-24
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I've read "In a Station of the Metro" you suggested , and I felt something social,if yet political.
Standing in a station of the metro, one felt isolated in solitude inside, though crowded outside. It IS Social, isn't it?
-wantbaby(：）);
2017-3-24
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feeling of solitude, even if it is indeed what Pound intended to convey, it is still more "metaphysical" than social.
-the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber);
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