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Thoughts about investment school

altavista(onfocus)
It is actually impossible to classify fundamental and technical analysis. Since Peter Lynch use some indexes to monitor the stocks and it's pretty technical. George Soros, as a matter of fact, is a typical speculator at foreign exchange market which heavily relies on technical analysis.

For Elliot and Gann, you could not easily classify them either. Gann's most famous diagram only consists of a small part of his whole theory and most of them are not quite clear even after decades.

Considering the complexity of market, I do believe the following I read somewhere:
For short-term, fundamental and technical analysis are almost equally important. For long-term, fundamental is obviously more important. But the cost of neglecting technical analysis is also expensive for investors.
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Last Updated: 2002-6-6
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  • 枫下家园 / 理财投资税务 / 请教：NT的每股net asset -aloha(aloha); 2002-6-6 {177} (#561334@0)
    我想知道NT的每股net asset，所以查了一下NT的2002季报。但是我对于会计知之甚少，不知是否如此算：
    total shareholder's equity($3.99 B)/ common shares(3.2 B)=$1.24。
    这个数据对吗？
    • 与技术派理论家最大的区别在于，他们都是百万富翁、市场的赢家 -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 {546} (#561774@0)
      股票的基本面分析方法在历史上出现的时间也早于技术分析法，在股票市场产生和发展几十年后，由于经济周期的波动性和大众心理的集体作用使得股票价格经常背离价值形成独特的波动规律，引起了许多投资家的关注和研究，才形成了以历史经验和心理学为基础的技术分析法，其中最著名的是艾略特波浪理论和江恩理论。而基本面分析派则从开始到现在，每个时期都产生许多投资大师，而且这些投资大师，包括格雷厄姆、巴菲特、彼得·林奇、索罗斯等，与技术派理论家最大的区别在于，他们都是百万富翁、市场的赢家，而技术派的鼻祖文略特和江思生前并没有运用其理论在股市中发财，只能称为市场的专家。
      • Thoughts about investment school -altavista(onfocus); 2002-6-6 {801} (#561874@0)
        It is actually impossible to classify fundamental and technical analysis. Since Peter Lynch use some indexes to monitor the stocks and it's pretty technical. George Soros, as a matter of fact, is a typical speculator at foreign exchange market which heavily relies on technical analysis.

        For Elliot and Gann, you could not easily classify them either. Gann's most famous diagram only consists of a small part of his whole theory and most of them are not quite clear even after decades.

        Considering the complexity of market, I do believe the following I read somewhere:
        For short-term, fundamental and technical analysis are almost equally important. For long-term, fundamental is obviously more important. But the cost of neglecting technical analysis is also expensive for investors.
        • From my point of view, technical analysis sometime looks like gambling because it always trys to predict future by historical data. -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#561965@0)
    • correct -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#561777@0)
      • Not really. You need to exclude different kinds of preferred share and bonds that NT had previously issued. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562058@0)
        • What you want to do has already been done before caculation. preferred share and bonds are liabilities, which have been excluded -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562068@0)
    • NT 巨量 交易。 看看这张图。 :-OOOO . -torontoguy(上兵伐谋); 2002-6-6 (#561968@0)
      • 不是好兆头啊 ! -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#561976@0)
    • 有没有朋友可以推荐几家加拿大上市,经营状况不错的科技公司 ? 我实在找不到啊 ! -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#561995@0)
      • CGI looks good, but I am wondering why its price can't go up, always stays between C$8 to C$16 -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562060@0)
        • Because BCE keep lossing money?? -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562073@0)
          • CGI is a BCE company or what ? why you think it's caused by BCE ? -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562097@0)
            • BCE owns them. Do more research. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562247@0)
              • If owner lost money, it's owner's business. I don't see that owner is BCE is a disadvantage. I am confused by your opinion -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562254@0)
                • If B owns A, and B keep losing money, do you think A's stock will shoot up sky high? -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562260@0)
                  • For example, if A earns money and B invest in A, B can earn money by this investment, even it losses money in its other investment. But no matter whether B losses money, A still earn money. Nothing for A is changed -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562281@0)
                    • But A is an subsidiary. So the relationship is not as simple as B invest in A. B has the power of changing A's management and everything!!!! B controls A!!!! -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562285@0)
                    • Yes, nothing in A is change. But the investors' mood is changed when the parent company is keep lossing money...... -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562292@0)
                      • after CGI is listed, BCE should be the member of board of direct, a big share holder. If a share holder loss money, just like mutual fund loss money, it doesn't matter -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562306@0)
                        • What happen BCE is in financial trouble because they keep lossing money and they decided to flush CGI's stock for cash? Do you think investors care about this? -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562315@0)
                          • please check this for ownership http://biz.yahoo.com/p/g/gib.html -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562336@0)
                            • You just don't wanna give up, do you? Yahoo provided a very limited information. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 {211} (#562343@0)
                              Look at here. It contains a detail listing of all BCE subsidiaries.

                              http://www.enewsservices.com/en/bcecompanies/

                              CGI is part of BCE's System Integration and E-Business initiative, along with BCE Emergis.
                • You can't separate child and parent companies in investing because the financial relationship between them is so complicated... -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562262@0)
                  • If CGI invests in BCE, things would be changed. CGI will loss money in BCE investment. Stock market concerns CGI's performance will be worse because of BCE lossing money. This can make some sense -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562288@0)
                    • Again, you have to know that A is a SUBSIDIARY. B has total control over A. So when people invest at A, they have to care about B's performance as well. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2002-6-6 (#562310@0)
        • anyway , thank you for your recommendation. -ci99(ci99); 2002-6-6 (#562317@0)

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